<p>Science of Reading: The Podcast will deliver the latest insights from researchers and practitioners in early reading. Via a conversational approach, each episode explores a timely topic related to the science of reading.</p>

&lt;p&gt;In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, host Susan Lambert, Ed.D., does something a little different, sharing her own research alongside that of her guest, Sonia Cabell, Ph.D. Together, they trace how Sonia&amp;apos;s large-scale Institute of Education Sciences (IES) study directly inspired Susan&amp;apos;s dissertation, and what that process reveals about how evidence in literacy education actually gets built. Susan and Sonia also discuss what Sonia&amp;apos;s IES study on content-rich literacy instruction found; how Susan&amp;apos;s own dissertation research built directly on those findings; what it really means for research to &amp;quot;accumulate&amp;quot; and why it matters for classroom practice.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Show notes:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Sign up for our fall &lt;a href=&#039;https://go.info.amplify.com/fy26_elemlitsolutions_sorliteracydataandmtssweek_national_webinars_webinar-series_getintouchoption_optin?utm_campaign=FY26_ElemLitSolutions_SORLiteracyDataandMTSSWeek_National_webinars_20260729&amp;amp;utm_source=podcast-sor&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_content=shownotes_20260729&#039;&gt;Literacy Data and MTSS Week&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Listen to Sonia&amp;apos;s previous Science of Reading: The Podcast appearances:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;https://amplify.com/episode/science-of-reading-the-podcast/season-3/episode-8-deconstructing-the-rope-language-comprehension-with-sonia-cabell/&#039;&gt;Deconstructing the Rope: Language comprehension&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;https://amplify.com/episode/science-of-reading-the-podcast-new/season-2/season-7-research-comprehension-and-content-rich-literacy-instruction-with-sonia-cabell/&#039;&gt;Research, comprehension, and content-rich literacy instruction&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Read Sonia&amp;apos;s book, &lt;a href=&#039;https://www.amazon.com/Strive-Five-Conversations-Accelerate-Comprehension/dp/1546113886/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=185796483585&amp;amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.XSMKMgXi8LxVreXJCKwT0w.EwYR4pL29UJNYFIN--C9rpz8ZPK3l2csqzy-T3mRl24&amp;amp;dib_tag=se&amp;amp;hvadid=779619847836&amp;amp;hvdev=c&amp;amp;hvexpln=0&amp;amp;hvlocphy=9004868&amp;amp;hvnetw=g&amp;amp;hvocijid=13267818598128946324--&amp;amp;hvqmt=e&amp;amp;hvrand=13267818598128946324&amp;amp;hvtargid=kwd-2319997574634&amp;amp;hydadcr=22569_13821285_9027&amp;amp;keywords=strive-for-five+conversations&amp;amp;mcid=f33091ded4153712aadfeec28497ad28&amp;amp;qid=1776975186&amp;amp;sr=8-1&#039;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Strive-for-Five Conversations: A Framework That Gets Kids Talking to Accelerate Their Language Comprehension and Literacy&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Learn more about the &lt;a href=&#039;http://FCRR.org&#039;&gt;Florida Center for Reading Research&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Check out Sonia&amp;apos;s &lt;a href=&#039;https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2025-46446-001.html&#039;&gt;IES study&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Listen to Reid Lyon, Ph.D., on Science of Reading: The Podcast&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Embracing the complexity of learning to read, &lt;a href=&#039;https://amplify.com/episode/science-of-reading-the-podcast/season-7/season-7-interlude-episode-2-part-1-embracing-the-complexity-of-learning-to-read-with-reid-lyon/&#039;&gt;Part 1&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&#039;https://amplify.com/episode/science-of-reading-the-podcast/season-7/season-7-interlude-episode-2-part-2-embracing-the-complexity-of-learning-to-read-with-reid-lyon/&#039;&gt;Part 2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spring-special-26-systematizing-literacy-with-reid/id1483513974?i=1000766388879&#039;&gt;Systematizing literacy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Listen to Season 3 of Amplify&amp;apos;s &lt;a href=&#039;http://at.amplify.com/bmy&#039;&gt;Beyond My Years&lt;/a&gt; podcast.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Subscribe to Susan&amp;apos;s new &lt;a href=&#039;https://substack.com/@scienceofreading&#039;&gt;Science of Reading Substack&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Join our &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreading&#039;&gt;Science of Reading community Facebook group&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Connect with &lt;a href=&#039;https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-lambert-edd-b1512761/&#039;&gt;Susan Lambert&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Quotes:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;The Science of Reading is not like a product. It&amp;apos;s not a thing. It&amp;apos;s an ever-accumulating body of work.&amp;quot; —Sonia Cabell&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;You&amp;apos;re doing better than you think. Keep being a learner.&amp;quot; —Sonia Cabell&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;It&amp;apos;s the accumulation of research over time that leads us to an evidence base, not just any one study.&amp;quot; —Sonia Cabell&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Timestamps*:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;0:00 Introduction: How research builds on research&lt;br/&gt;3:00 Sonia&amp;apos;s research focus: oral language as the foundation of reading&lt;br/&gt;7:00 The origin of the IES study&lt;br/&gt;10:00 Sonia&amp;apos;s study design and what cut it short&lt;br/&gt;16:00 Results of the IES study &lt;br/&gt;23:00 What is an IES study?&lt;br/&gt;25:00 Causation versus correlation&lt;br/&gt;28:00 Susan&amp;apos;s dissertation: building on Sonia&amp;apos;s research&lt;br/&gt;31:00 What Susan found&lt;br/&gt;35:00 &amp;quot;It&amp;apos;s not about just one landmark study&amp;quot;&lt;br/&gt;41:00 Trusted organizations for educators&lt;br/&gt;44:00 Reasons for optimism&lt;br/&gt;48:00 Closing thoughts&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;*Timestamps are approximate&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 

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